Richardson's Royal Ancestry, Vol V, p 298, notes Joan as mother of Dafydd and "s...

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Richardson's Royal Ancestry, Vol V, p 298, notes Joan as mother of Dafydd and "several daughters, including Gwaladus Ddu, Ellen, Susanna, and possibly _____ (wife of Malcolm, 7th Earl of Fife), and allegedly Angharad." Richardson says his illegitimate children were "by various mistresses" (he does not name Tangwystl). Llywelyn's entry in the Rootsweb database for Celtic Royal Genealogy shows fourillegimate children by Tangwystl and four by other mistresses; Llywelyn's information in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG) shows only Gruffydd as a child of Tangwystl.

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